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Sunday 24 February 2013 6:08:18 pm - 15 replies

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Introduction

Hi everyone,

This is an update on the work we are doing nowadays at eZ to improve editors' lives. When I rejoined eZ a few months back, I was amazed and very excited by all the challenges eZ was working on, from a new Web architecture based on Symfony2 to the huge move to a full digital User Experience Management platform. A lot of projects and challenges, and a huge opportunity to make a real difference.

While the challenges above are really super exciting and important, there is another challenge that has been discussed, but that I am sure is still really unclear: how eZ will improve the lives of editors with a much better user experience on all the user interface of the platform.

Indeed, we all know that the current user interface now is the one inherited from eZ Publish 3 - I don't want to count the years! This user interface had some real strengths back in the day, especially compared to many of our competitors. Some are still totally true, some less… and it still competes well with the old generation of CMS (e.g. most of the market). But the truth is that this is living in the past and it will only get worth, UX standards have evolved and the legacy interface is now hardly following.

So, now that we just rebuilt the foundation of the eZ Publish Platform, whose foundations are a new API (PHP and REST), Symfony2 as a Web framework and a new highly scalable storage repository, it is time to tackle this topic and (re)give eZ Publish a cutting edge editorial interface. This is actually the next step for eZ Publish 5 to enable to run on a 100% new system, without relying on any legacy component.

Sunday 24 February 2013 6:51:46 pm

Excellent news ! 

I like a lot the approach you are having for this new interface, I don't doubt the resulting work will be awesome. 

Thanks for sharing, I look forward seeing the first design ! 

Monday 25 February 2013 9:23:15 am

I've played a bit with the online prototype. Looks simply awesome...

Monday 25 February 2013 9:47:40 am

Hi,

the pop up when you edit a a attribute is quite anoying since you loose the context. See how typo3 does it. They have a smoother integration of a WYSIWYG Frontend. If we can edit content with one click less that would be awesome.

http://vimeo.com/16850096

Monday 25 February 2013 12:05:39 pm

I hope you are looking at WordPress admin interface for inspiration, just to name one.  WP has very easy-to-use admin app - for exmaple multiple image upload interface is about 5 years better than ezPublish now...

And please, make 1:1 screenshots available, can't recognize anything on small thumbs you inserted into artice (event direct links to images, without "large" variation is not OK http://share.ez.no/var/community/...ges/proto/868786-1-eng-GB/proto.png)

Thnx

Hrvoje

Monday 25 February 2013 5:00:24 pm

Thanks for the summary!

Extensibility is definitely important from my standpoint. Over the past week I've been part of a few discussions on client projects about customizing the back-end, including overriding the default, raw attribute display in the "View" tab, extending line views in the related objects tab, and adding more information to the sub items window. While the sub items table is a bit more invasive, the other two changes are currently simple to accomplish!

Monday 25 February 2013 5:04:52 pm

Quote from Björn Dieding@xrow.de :

Hi,

the pop up when you edit a a attribute is quite anoying since you loose the context. See how typo3 does it. They have a smoother integration of a WYSIWYG Frontend. If we can edit content with one click less that would be awesome.

http://vimeo.com/16850096

Hi Bjorn, 

As said, the prototype was just exploration. This per attribute editing wont work the same. The first step will be a full object overlay. The second one will be in-line editing, definitely! But aware it is not what we want to achieve first. Just second blunk.gif Emoticon!

Thanks

Monday 25 February 2013 5:11:41 pm

Quote from Hrvoje Budin :

I hope you are looking at WordPress admin interface for inspiration, just to name one.  WP has very easy-to-use admin app - for exmaple multiple image upload interface is about 5 years better than ezPublish now...

And please, make 1:1 screenshots available, can't recognize anything on small thumbs you inserted into artice (event direct links to images, without "large" variation is not OK http://share.ez.no/var/community/...ges/proto/868786-1-eng-GB/proto.png)

Thnx

Hrvoje

but yes we definitely look at worrdpress, very clearly. It has a lot of nice things (such as the media upload, the revision history and others), but also quite some flaws.

(Multiple image upload is actually broken on wordpress.com btw happy.gif Emoticon )

For the screenshots, the  next stories, we will really share in more detail and use full screens, the one in this post were just for illustration purposes. You can go to the Github project and play with the prototype if you want, to have a better idea.

Thanks

Tuesday 26 February 2013 8:42:05 am

Very awaited information.

Now eZ 5 foundations are going to be the best ones. I hope that you will have advantages over other CMS with regard to the layout. I have feelings that it should have as a target many conveniences, like:

  • inline editing
  • in the preview edition
  • drag and drop (for each action, which may be accelerated by this)
  • frontend edition
  • observable content live
  • completely redesigned notifications
  • customizable dashboard (as it is written)
  • advanced editor's workflow (fast permissions when editing?) - content life history
  • easy expandable and modifiable frontend/admin layout (both by developers and editors) - one word wide personalization
  • ...

it's just a handful of ideas.

Tuesday 26 February 2013 1:33:50 pm

@Karol nothing more, sir? blunk.gif Emoticon

Tuesday 26 February 2013 5:57:17 pm

I know, I got carried away... but here is preparing great progress happy.gif Emoticon

Today I see a lot of personalized content and hence my ideas.

Tuesday 26 February 2013 6:55:11 pm

Great post, Roland! My initial thoughts:

  1. +1 for higher res screen shots2.
  2. What specifically are you thinking about when you say "[…] leaving more space to the user to take responsibility of tasks."
  3. How about setting up a separate forum for the new user interface process (like we had for the API) making it easy for users stay informed?

Tuesday 05 March 2013 12:13:26 am

Quote from Eirik Alfstad Johansen :

Great post, Roland! My initial thoughts:

  1. +1 for higher res screen shots2.
  2. What specifically are you thinking about when you say "[…] leaving more space to the user to take responsibility of tasks."
  3. How about setting up a separate forum for the new user interface process (like we had for the API) making it easy for users stay informed?

Thanks Eirik,

  • +1 for higher res screen shots2.

I'll try to pay attention when sharing the real screens for the wireframe soon here.

Hence my question: what about a slideshare deck to share sequence of screens, would that meet the expectiations? I hesitate between this and simple image galeries...

  • What specifically are you thinking about when you say "[…] leaving more space to the user to take responsibility of tasks."

I mean, making it able, as part of the workflow (which should really be understood as when used in two words, "work flow"blunk.gif Emoticon to delegate to the user the responsability. Example:

  • When writing an article, a user could choose to take responsibility and publish OR choose to not take responsibility and send for approval to the person of his choice.
  • When approving an article, a user could choose to take responsibility and make a modification himself (and not simply rejecting the piece) then publish.

 

  • How about setting up a separate forum for the new user interface process (like we had for the API) making it easy for users stay informed?

That is a good recommendation but I was planning to write blog posts more than simple forums. I think this is really more than a discussion (so I am not sure what to do...). Should we simply use tags for that, to tag both blog posts and forums? Blog post are usually easier to share. I am not that much involved on the features on share.ez.no but would be happy to try to help, I'll try to chat with Nico.

Tuesday 05 March 2013 7:40:13 pm

1. SlideShare: might be fine, but it seems difficult (impossible?) to zoom beyond 100%, which might be a problem if the wireframes are long. If a PDF-version is provided as well, then I think Slideshare is a good idea.

2. Responsibility of tasks: Makes sense.

3. Forum: The reason why I suggested a forum is that it would be easy to follow by subscribing. Even though I'm very interested in this issue, I was not aware of your post until Bård drew my attention to it specifically.

Tuesday 12 March 2013 1:51:56 am

Quote from Eirik Alfstad Johansen :

3. Forum: The reason why I suggested a forum is that it would be easy to follow by subscribing. Even though I'm very interested in this issue, I was not aware of your post until Bård drew my attention to it specifically.

Eirik,all,

So, in order to make it easier to follow, I decided to create a dedicated blog here: http://share.ez.no/blogs/ez-publish-next-ui. I want it to be more than a forum because it is more than just a discussion.

Hope you like it that way!

Now you might tell me: where is the rss feed for it! Well I am still looking happy.gif Emoticon 

Stay tune, minimum 8 blog posts to come in the next days.

Roland

Monday 15 July 2013 11:04:56 am

What is the current state of the development?

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