Wednesday 30 May 2012 6:45:55 pm - 7 replies
There is an issue with saving process, I have almost forgotten about, though it was mentioned multiple times during my interviews: "casual users" tend to spawn many drafts of the pages, because they start editing and then leave the system without properly discarding the draft. I know that actually some improvements were done in this area, but just wanted to add a couple of my ideas (hopefully, simple to implement, because it's mostly about labeling and front-end).
Wednesday 30 May 2012 8:42:11 pm
Discard draft and publish draft are fine for the casual user. All the rest is noise.
The only thing that might be useful in more advanced wortkflows is "store draft as version", to later be able to come back and check the evolution of a document (we obviously can not let the editor pick a draft for comparison in a list with the 16500 draft version which have been autosaved)
Wednesday 30 May 2012 10:00:31 pm
Thanks you for an advise. It's a good idea to let user save draft as a version, I'll check where would be a more appropriate place for this control in the new editorial interface (may be, it would be wise to keep this with versions inspector tool in page section). I'll check out later also the way our users work with versions, have currently too few infos on that.
Thursday 31 May 2012 9:43:30 am
Random bullet points that come to my mind while reading your post:
Thursday 31 May 2012 10:56:41 pm
My 2 cents:
Friday 01 June 2012 11:34:41 am
Quote from Damien Pobel :
- A detail that might not be clear for everybody: we don't pile up versions, I mean each "autosave request" update the same version object and if the user does not "send for publishing" the version, the end user will be able to get it back later
I think Jurij is going for more "big sky" thinking here, rather than the current functionality/model? I wonder whether a light-weight revision (patch) model for drafts that only lasts until the draft is published would be feasible.
Friday 01 June 2012 2:08:33 pm
Quote from Geoff Bentley :I think Jurij is going for more "big sky" thinking here, rather than the current functionality/model? I wonder whether a light-weight revision (patch) model for drafts that only lasts until the draft is published would be feasible.
I know, Jurij and I are working around this topic on a daily basis ![]()
But we are trying to make changes in an existing software while keeping a backward compatibility, we have a limited capacity and we have a limited timeframe to make the evolutions (the next entreprise release is planned for the end of the year) so we are obliged to be pragmatic and take the existing features/limitations into account to move forward smoothly toward new ideas and concepts otherwise we won't be able to do anything.
The patch idea is indeed a good one. We could for instance store more or less what is posted when a change is made on a version so we can "replay" the evolution of a draft on a timeline.
Cheers
Friday 01 June 2012 9:27:17 pm
Quote from Damien Pobel :Quote from Geoff Bentley :I think Jurij is going for more "big sky" thinking here, rather than the current functionality/model? I wonder whether a light-weight revision (patch) model for drafts that only lasts until the draft is published would be feasible.
I know, Jurij and I are working around this topic on a daily basis
Good to hear
I know, I know, I think there's always that tension between ideals and timeframes (it's constant challenge for me). I still think it's good to aim high, but have stepped goals so the process can be evolutionary.
Cheers,
Geoff
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