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Friday 26 August 2011 3:52:59 pm - 30 replies

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Introduction

Ever dreamed of having an eZ Publish-specific job board ? Read-on and tell us how you picture it !

 

Friday 26 August 2011 5:35:42 pm

Sebastiaan added his interesting ideas here : 
http://share.ez.no/forums/discussions/2011-july-11th-meeting-minutes/comment69965

Let us please keep this discussion here though, and all follow Sebastiaan's example : voice what we think is necessary to the Job Board to span the boundaries of the eZ Community.

Cheers,

Modified on Friday 26 August 2011 5:36:17 pm by Nicolas Pastorino

Saturday 27 August 2011 12:29:50 pm

Out of curiosity: Will the job board be a place to post projects, or positions? I image that the two have pretty different requirements.

Judging from the initial description it seems that projects are the planned focus, but for our part, a way to let the community know about open eZ Publish positions at our company would be just as (if not more) useful.

Saturday 27 August 2011 1:51:52 pm

Hi Eirik, 

The initial ideas are as follows  : 

  • Allow for Partners (Community & Business) to post their job offers. Permanent positions are thought of here,
  • Allow for Partners (Community & Business) to offer contracts, project-based works are envisaged here,
  • Allow for Partners (C & B) to present their availabilities. We are particularly trying to address the timeframe between contracts for freelancers.

Because this list is certainly not exhaustive, and the way it can be implemented is very open, we made this an open specification.

In short : yes, what is most important to our partners (advertising about their open positions) is at the heart of the initial idea.

Cheers !

Modified on Saturday 27 August 2011 1:52:25 pm by Nicolas Pastorino

Saturday 27 August 2011 11:48:59 pm

Why should only partners be allowed to post? Suppose the IT department of a company implements eZ Publish as an Intranet solution. At some point they need a developer with eZ Publish experience to help to import an existing staff directory, a one day job (for example). Would they really have to become an eZ Publish partner first to be able to post the job? Would they have to go talk their local eZ Publish partner first? Enterprise Open Source Content Management is about the combination of 'freedom' and 'reliability'. If everyone is allowed post vacancies/jobs on the Job Board, both criteria would be satisfied. To create a substantial market for eZ Publish products and services, we need to think big, beyond the current eZ ecosystem.

Monday 29 August 2011 11:16:24 am

Hi Sebastiaan, 

The case you are presenting indeed is a very valid one, and supports the idea of entirely opening the Job Board for submissions. Such an opening would re-enforce the policy of strong boundary-spanning, which has been at the heart of the eZ Community Management strategy for 1 year now, and will continue to be in an increasing way.

The reason behind having only partners be able to submit offers was to trim down potential moderation efforts, thus increase the vitality/livelihood of the Job Board, another key success factor. A twofold moderation policy could be adopted to streamline the moderation effort of submissions by non-partners, while Partners could simply be soft-moderated (or not moderated at all), due to the pre-established trust link.

Thanks for this piece of feedback,
Cheers, 

Tuesday 30 August 2011 6:23:45 pm

The reason behind having only partners be able to submit offers was to trim down potential moderation efforts, thus increase the vitality/livelihood of the Job Board, another key success factor. A twofold moderation policy could be adopted to streamline the moderation effort of submissions by non-partners, while Partners could simply be soft-moderated (or not moderated at all), due to the pre-established trust link.

Why not implement a reputation system for the job posters? All the job boards I've tried have it.

It would take into concern this parameters:

  • wether poster is a partner or not
  • number of successful jobs on the job board
  • general reputation on share.ez.no (membership duration, number of forum posts...)
  • user ratings of poster's jobs

In that way for example a developer that already has a good reputation on share.ez.no will not have to be moderated. Also posters that do post appropriate job offerings will be able to get a good reputation and get into the non moderated group.

Wednesday 31 August 2011 6:43:30 pm

I strongly +1 Sebastiaan point.Some ideas :

  • Open
  • Free
  • Projects & Positions
  • Good space on share.ez.no homepage (instead of project block ?)
  • Not too much orange color
  • Linked to a specific twitter account
  • Email alerts based on search criterias

Thursday 01 September 2011 9:19:29 am

Hi Nicolas,

Could you explain a bit more about the moderation that would be required for the Job Board? Is it about avoiding spam, or cleaning up the submissions in terms of info provided, language, etc?

Thursday 01 September 2011 10:53:38 am

The reason behind having only partners be able to submit offers was to trim down potential moderation efforts, thus increase the vitality/livelihood of the Job Board, another key success factor. A twofold moderation policy could be adopted to streamline the moderation effort of submissions by non-partners, while Partners could simply be soft-moderated (or not moderated at all), due to the pre-established trust link.

Why not implement a reputation system for the job posters? All the job boards I've tried have it.

It would take into concern this parameters:

  • wether poster is a partner or not
  • number of successful jobs on the job board
  • general reputation on share.ez.no (membership duration, number of forum posts...)
  • user ratings of poster's jobs

In that way for example a developer that already has a good reputation on share.ez.no will not have to be moderated. Also posters that do post appropriate job offerings will be able to get a good reputation and get into the non moderated group.

Hi Marko, 

Thanks for your insight.

I agree that eventually, the underlying eZ Community reputation system, currently being built on the base of the functional description published a while ago, should serve to measure the trust-level / layers, and in this very case, reduce the moderation load.

Good point,
Cheers, 

Thursday 01 September 2011 11:09:21 am

I strongly +1 Sebastiaan point.Some ideas :

  • Open

Hi Paul,

Our community is open by essence, so yes. The initial argument in favor of limiting write access to partners was meant to :

  • Reduce the moderation load to a minimum,
  • Ensure that only eZ Publish related offers would be submitted, increasing relevancy & quality of the Job Board, in turn making sure it is actually used.

Marko's point to have it eventually rely on the underlying reputation system opens for a full opening, which would support the use-case raised by Sebastiaan.

 

  • Free

Free as in "free beer" is a given. Free is in "free speech" : as long as it is related to eZ Publish, sure. (cf point above reg. "Open" )

 

  • Projects & Positions

As explained to Eirik, this is taken into account, since day 1.

 

  • Good space on share.ez.no homepage (instead of project block ?)
  • Not too much orange color

 

The home-page will undergo a necessary revamp. Jobs, as well as events (cf Event planner project) and eZ Roadmap statuses, plus Github timeline. It will eventually be turned into a real dispatcher, rather than a overly hierarchised page.

About the colour...you may have designer talents you would like to share to suggest and implement a refined colour scheme ? I would love this too.

 

  • Linked to a specific twitter account

 

Obviously. Something like http://twitter.com/ezpublish_jobs happy.gif Emoticon

 

  • Email alerts based on search criterias

 

Ow yes, about any tool to spread the news, and as a final objective, span the boundaries of the eZ Publish Community (at the heart of what has been done since November 2009). An RSS feed, tied to the social push mentioned above, augmented by postings to the existing eZ Ecosystem LinkedIn groups, you name it.

Do you have other ideas for making this Job Board go wild in diffusion ?

Thanks for your feedback Paul,
Cheers, 

Modified on Thursday 01 September 2011 11:10:05 am by Nicolas Pastorino

Thursday 01 September 2011 11:18:34 am

Could you explain a bit more about the moderation that would be required for the Job Board? Is it about avoiding spam, or cleaning up the submissions in terms of info provided, language, etc?

Hi Sebastiaan,

As just explained to Paul, i envisaged moderation for the following reasons : 

  • Ensure that only eZ Publish related offers would be submitted, increasing relevancy & quality of the Job Board, in turn making sure it is actually used.
  • Eliminate spam.

This is a necessary artifact of a Job Board, i believe, particularly in the frame of our community : this new tool has to be a reliable weapon for boundary spanning. A drop of spam or totally unrelated job offers, pushed to all associated (social) channels (this will be the case for all offers, ref. my reply to Paul), will kill relevancy and traction immediately. 

In short : this is solely a quality enforcement measure. Marko's point of reducing the moderation load by relying on the reputation system is, i believe, a good solution to serve quality and livelihood ( through low moderation load, rapid publishing of offers).

Cheers and thanks for your valuable feedback Sebastiaan !

Friday 09 September 2011 2:34:27 pm

Hi, 

After having acknowledged the broader opening of job submissions (not only reserved to Partners), access control is lighter to non-existant, and only spam moderation or duplicate is to put in place. This means that we could envisage using an external, full-blown solution for the eZ Publish Job Board, dramatically speeding-up integration. 

What do you guys think ?

I know of a free solution called http://www.jobamatic.com , but other suggestions are more than welcome.

The list of choice criteria i can think of, top of my head :

  • Free for owner and submitters,
  • Available API for data extraction or configurable embeddable widget,
  • RSS feed,
  • Simple stats available,
  • Tunable look'n feel when directly viewed,
  • Customizable URL ( jobs.ez.no type of),
  • Powerful drilldown type of search

Thoughts ?

Cheers,

EDIT :

Robin and Marko underlined :

  • user account API, for coordination with the reputation engine. 

Modified on Monday 19 September 2011 9:32:16 am by Nicolas Pastorino

Friday 16 September 2011 9:19:17 pm

Hi,

One quick criteria I can come up with is this:

  • API to collect user-account data from the external job board, link this to the share account when available for a possible reputation system.

-- Robin

Sunday 18 September 2011 11:30:45 am

Regarding the external solution Nicolas suggested, there's another thing we must have in mind:

  • how easy it will be to integrate it with the current share.ez.no users and the reputation system?

Since one of the criteria for the moderation system will be the user's reputation, I believe this should also be one of the requirements.

Monday 19 September 2011 9:31:00 am

@Robin @Marko : you guys are inline, so am i. I had encompassed this point under "API" but you guys are right, let us state it clearly as a separate point (editing the list above now).

Thanks !

Tuesday 04 October 2011 9:50:40 am

Hi Nicolas, Robin, any news on this? Kind regards, Sebastiaan

Sunday 09 October 2011 8:47:08 pm

Hello Sebastiaan,

No news and/or major progress yet. Our focus was on the Event/Lanyrd extension which will be available on Share VERY soon. After that, we move on to the Job Board as our priority development task.

Regards Robin

Thursday 20 October 2011 8:42:12 pm

Hi Nicolas, Robin, any news on this? Kind regards, Sebastiaan

Hi Sebastiaan, 

The latest progress was presented here : http://share.ez.no/forums/discussions/job-board-information/comment70192

The underlying idea is, since the consensus around having the tool be totally public seems established, to integrate a 3rd-party, well-routined Job Board solution. I proposed http://www.jobamatic.com but would like to hear others' experiences with such tools.

Thoughts ?
Cheers, 

Thursday 20 October 2011 10:29:23 pm

More points for a branded www.jobamatic.com as a 3rd-party Job Board solution :

That can kick-start implementation. How do you guys feel about this ? There was much will to make this happen, many requests, but the momentum feels lessened at the moment.

Show me you really want a solution to increase your business around eZ Publish ! 

Cheers, 

Friday 21 October 2011 10:48:19 am

I actually think integrating with an cloud application would suck - either a user would end up having to be part of yet another community - theirs, or, they would end up having to sift through a bunch of crap to get anything remotely interesting.  Search for ezpublish in simplyhired and see what comes up.  That's not what I would want to see here.  If I wanted to see that I would just go to their website.

I think what I would want to see is something more ez community-based.

I know the alternative of creating something in ezpublish itself would be time-consuming and reinventing the wheel but I think the final product would be way better and as a bonus you'd be eating our own dogfood.  Maybe integrating.

But maybe I'm just being a crank.

I think to start off with, just a dedicated forum would suffice.  I assume it would be easy to set up and maybe it would be a way of gauging real interest in this to see if it's even worth spending time and resources on it.

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