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eZ Sytems is hiding information from its community

eZ Sytems is hiding information from its community

Wednesday 26 November 2008 11:54:39 am - 16 replies

This is continuation of the thread http://ez.no/developer/forum/gene...ns_are_not_linked_and_not_searchable It has been 2 weeks from the original post, so i think topic name change is in order to get more response to this.

Basicly: there is a new projects section on ez.no where most new and interesting contributions live. There is great ez 4.0 compatible stuff there, check it out http://projects.ez.no/

The issue is that that section is not linked on ez.no and not included in search. Funny thing is that although top menu has "Developer/Projects and Contributions" selection, it only gives you the old contributions page with outdated stuff that is mostly not working in ezp 4.0

And please no bullshit about how everyone is busy and it takes lots of time.. like someone said earlier, that site uses a frakkin' CMS! It would take a minute to go to http://ez.no/developer/contribs and write in big letters on top of page "This here is old crap, for current, WORKING contributions go to http://projects.ez.no/"

New members of ez community (which is near died out as it is) are being daily frustrated by lack of usable contributions and the outdated/not working stuff on contribs page and ultimately give up on ez.

So unless it is goal of eZ systems to hide away contribs in order to sell more support, could this be fixed please? A prominent link with explanation on contribs page and inclusion in main site search.

Wednesday 26 November 2008 2:03:06 pm

Agreed. This is not a new practice, it's old school, knowledge barriers.

Change will happen. I imagine it starts in all of us first before this site.

Respect to those who hold the line, who speak out, share their source code AND knowledge freely.

<i>//kracker

Kottonmouth Kings - Freeworld</i>

Wednesday 26 November 2008 2:22:33 pm

I don't think eZ Systems is hiding things from its community...
Just take at look at http://ez.no/content/advancedsear...Text=projects.ez.no&SubTreeArray[]=2
and you will see 247 matches for it. There is a link to projects.ez.no in each one.

For example, link has been sent to everybody in community_newsletter...
http://ez.no/developer/news/community_newsletter_3_22nd_february_2007.

I don't want think about what could i do if eZ really hides projects.ez.no happy.gif Emoticon

Wednesday 26 November 2008 3:42:32 pm

Official: "The plans have been available at the planning office for the last nine months!"
Arthur Dent: On display? I had to go down to the cellar.
O: That's the display department.
A: With a torch!
O: The lights were probably out.
A: So were the stairs..
O: But you did see the notice, didn't you?
A: Oh yes, it was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign outside the door saying "beware of the leopard!"

--with due respects to Douglas Adams

Wednesday 26 November 2008 7:11:22 pm

Updated to include info about projects.ez.no
http://ez.no/developer/contribs

Cheers,
Heath

Wednesday 26 November 2008 7:16:22 pm

Indeed, hope it is a bit better now.

Projects.ez.no is full of treasures, and the eZ Publish extensions from ez.no are in a process of being moved there.

Best regards
Paul

Wednesday 26 November 2008 7:57:56 pm

new content fails to appear on /developer and worlds begin to shift ...
happens ever year at different times. never know just how people
are going to start more public projects outside of ez.no. from every
aspect the silence is best understood at the bottom. where are the
other people simply talking more about what they are successfully
doing themselves from code to ideas.

<i>//d.m.

Head - L.O.V.E.</i>

Wednesday 26 November 2008 8:52:04 pm

Hey Paul,

how about you remove the add new and maybe edit button on the contributions page that way people are force to go to projects. I can me so mean.

Basicly that happend to the pubsvn and people shifted.

Wednesday 26 November 2008 11:18:15 pm

Thanks Paul - or whoever added the link! It would be bit better if it was made a bit more prominent as a primary source and comment added about contribs being mostly historic and in process of being moved to projects. Perhaps change the text into bold so theres no chance anyone can miss it.

Whats the deal with search? Somehow i think it should not be too difficult to add it to search too.

Wednesday 26 November 2008 11:51:15 pm

On the page, `http://ez.no/developer/contribs`
The linked text, `For 2.2 contributions look here.`

The linked text actaully links to a 404 page
as the eZ Publish 2 section was removed long ago.

It should link to http://ezcommunity.net instead
where eZ Publish 2 development is still supported
several great extension modules and php5 support
still available. Check it out!

<i>Cheers,
//kracker

Kottonmouth Kings - The K.O.T.T.O.N.M.O.U.T.H. Song</i>

Thursday 27 November 2008 11:27:26 am

I don't know why, but somehow I don't have high hopes.

Open source? Not really, dual licensed.
Encouraging partners and community to commit back? Not really, no obligation in the gpl to commit back for example, or the 'Alliance PackĀ“ states that the partner tries to sell as much closed licenses as possible.

Lots of incentives for 'Partners' but community isn't considered a 'partner.'

Please point me to things that might encourage me.

Modified on Thursday 27 November 2008 11:56:35 am by michiel n.

Thursday 27 November 2008 1:15:43 pm

<i>Open source? Not really, dual licensed.</i>

What exactly is your problem with a dual license? That some companies choose to make proprietary extensions? As long as I am allowed to modify the base code, I don't have a problem with that.

<i>Encouraging partners and community to commit back? Not really, no obligation in the gpl to commit back for example</i>

So you would rather have a different license than the GPL? I still remember the gripes people hat with Trolltech before Qt was GPLed. BSD without attribution is not a license I would want to put my software under.

Modified on Thursday 27 November 2008 2:38:25 pm by Peter Putzer

Thursday 27 November 2008 2:35:16 pm

<i>@michiel n.</i>

<i>http://ezpedia.org/wiki/ez</i> contains hundreds of articles which are still publicly available and api compatible to 3.x and 4.x. It would be nice if others wrote documentation for eZpedia.

<i>http://projects.ez.no</i> exists and has over 192 unique projects providing serious amount of new functionality. How cool would it be if we had more people contributing more of their ezpublish source code and solutions back into the community like on a realistic schedule.

<i>freenode.net #ezpublish</i> has people in the irc channel more often than in the past available to help and discuss. It would be nice if their were irc based development events like we have seen of in the past.

<i>http://pubsvn.ez.no</i> is still available as a way to read api documentation and source code via svn. It would be nice if their was an 'ezpublish' project on projects.ez.no.

<i>@Peter</i>

It's all about how they do what they do some is ok other times it is a dismal.

<i>//kracker

Kottonmouth KIngs : Puffin Tuff</i>

Modified on Thursday 27 November 2008 2:38:48 pm by // kracker

Thursday 27 November 2008 2:40:15 pm

@Kracker: Sure, I'd like more up-to-date information on releases for example. The time between 4.0 (completely unusable) and 4.0.1 was very long. But bashing eZ Systems for dual-licensing and for using the GPL is moronic.

Thursday 27 November 2008 2:54:35 pm

<i>@Peter Putzer</i>

Check that, 'Release Roadmap'. You know I seem to remember eZ Publish releases being short not to long ago but mostly smaller improvements. These longer releases seem to bring more and more advanced functionality. eZ shares their information very granularly and arguing with a brick wall in blank faces doesn't help but sure is fun (at times). They normally will tell you, sometimes you can tell something is missing unspoken other times it's just a little tidbit that you cherish. My point is have you ever known eZ Sysinfo to share much about their own competitive advantages let alone give those up until well after it no longer seems to matter? http://ez.no/ezpublish/roadmap

<i>//kracker

Kottonmouth Kings - Blaze of Glory</i>

Modified on Thursday 27 November 2008 2:59:49 pm by // kracker

Thursday 27 November 2008 3:15:12 pm

I know the roadmap. I think we actually agree that more information and more frequent releases would be a good thing. I think the roadmap is fine for 4.x releases, but I'd like more information on when the next bugfix release (e.g. 4.0.y) is going to be made. These used come out every other month or so, but between 4.0.0 and 4.0.1 it was almost nine months. That's definitely too long.

Thursday 27 November 2008 8:10:37 pm

The eZ Publish roadmap has always been a joke in terms of release dates, but it got even worse after 3.9. The current roadmap is a prime example.

4.1 is scheduled for Q4 2008. There's only 1 month left to hit that estimate and we haven't seen an alpha release yet. The alpha-beta-rc cycle takes longer than a month (I hope, unless we're heading towards another 3.10 release quality wise). Also worth pointing out that in the beginning of 2008 we were told an alpha release would appear towards the end of February.

4.2 is scheduled for Q2 2009. Scratch that and put at least Q4 2009. With 4.1 slipping there's no way this release will land on time. And if it does, it means 4.0 will be a dead end in 6 months from now giving you only a few of months to make the switch.

Swift bugfix releases are also a thing of the past. We're a year after 4.0 and we've had only 1 bugfix release. The release frequency used to be a lot better.

Those developments (no pun intended) haven't really boosted my confidence in the future of the product. Fortunately, the eZ Components team does a better job of hitting release dates. So there's still hope happy.gif Emoticon

PS: I'm surprising myself here. This is the first time I'm so harsh for the eZ world...

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