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Online Editor suggestions and feedback!

Online Editor suggestions and feedback!

Monday 07 November 2005 12:26:33 pm - 25 replies

I've created this topic for all OE users that would like to propose something for further OE improvement.

Please write here, what features would you like to see in OE, what behavior or bugs annoys you or anything else you want to tell OE developers.

Also I would like to hear feedback on the new OE 4.0 alpha1 released (it is available for download at http://ez.no/download/add_ons/online_editor/ez_publish_3_online_editor ). This test version includes completely new input parser that allows us to fix all related bugs and make further improvements. This parser also probably will be integrated in eZ publish in future. So I'd like to know how good is it in storing different content from the input (created manually or pasted from MS Word or any external source). And do you have any problems using it.

PS. Please always mention what browser do you use.

Monday 07 November 2005 12:55:14 pm

Hi,

Can you create a bug option for it in Bugs so bugs can be reported in the normal way.. or will be use the OE option with a version?

We are testing this on an internal project... How Alpha is the engine? How much do you feel you can trust it?

We will test with OpenOffice.org MS Word etc. How long is the testing period?

Can you also update this thread with updates so we can upgrade if problems are identified.

Ta

Tony

Modified on Monday 07 November 2005 12:55:35 pm by Tony Wood

Monday 07 November 2005 2:15:20 pm

Hi Toni, and thanks for a reply.

Of course it is better to use ez.no bug-tracking systems for bug reports and clear suggestions. There is a cathegory "Online editor" there, isn't it?

But I'd like to see other types of feedback too, like questions, different opinions, things that people are not very sure about, so they don't post it. (there are not very much feedback there)

Concerning alpha release: Although the whole release is alpha (mainly because of the lack of features planned for the final release), the parser itself I would say is in "release candidate" state. We tested it internally and in my opinion it works better than the old one in previous releases. (I have some exaples where old parser just crashes, but the new one handles it well) So we just need to test it on real applications and different types of content to be sure it has no critical bugs and we did not forget to add all the needed features.

Monday 07 November 2005 2:24:24 pm

>How long is the testing period?

I think we have about a week or two. Probably other pre-release versions will be out as well.

Monday 07 November 2005 6:12:07 pm

/extension/ezdhtml/design/standard/stylesheets/ezdhtml/editor.css

I would be also nice if we could override this file in an other extension...

Currently we can't just repace the dhtml folder since our editor.css is custom made...

I would like to be able to place it in e.g. some other path like

/extension/mysite/design/mysite/stylesheets/ezdhtml/editor.css

eZTemplateDesignResource::allDesignBases() might be able to perform this task...

Tuesday 08 November 2005 12:05:10 am

Oh, Suggestions for OE... Great.

I'd like to see:

- Define class style for Bulleted list so you can choose the style of each implementation
- User friendly implementation of custom tags so you can see the results in-line
- Set text colour and size (from a customisable list)
- Better support for line breaks; When I hit enter I want a line feed do not ignore it.
- Insert before/after in rows/columns (like OOo); I want to be able to add a row or column where I want.
- Customisable items in the icon row so we can add our own tags.
- Customisable styles; not just Normal and 1 thru 6

Lets me sleep on it.. There will be more happy.gif Emoticon

Thanks for asking

Tony

Wednesday 09 November 2005 3:00:06 am

> - User friendly implementation of custom tags so you can see the results in-line

Yummy, if we get such a functionality for custom tags...

I would also want to see how my embed objects really look like....

so:
- User friendly implementation of custom tags and embed objects so that you can see the results in-line

Wednesday 09 November 2005 10:55:34 am

2 Tony:

> Define class style for Bulleted list so you can choose the style of each implementation

But can't you do it in current versions? I think you can choose class for 'ul' even now. The only problem here in my opinion is that when you create multi-level list sometimes its impossible to select root ul element.

>- User friendly implementation of custom tags so you can see the results in-line

Yes, we are working on it and probably this will be included in final 4.0.

>- Set text colour and size (from a customisable list)

Text color and size in XML ? Don't forget its an XML editor and we can use only classes here.

What can we really do about it: let you load your own ccs into the editor and use your own styles to display elements there. (don't know why this was not done before)

btw, the same behavior we plan to use for visualisation of inline custom tags: you will be able to set css classes that will be used to display their content.

>- Better support for line breaks; When I hit enter I want a line feed do not ignore it.

Yes, Enter key behavior is a problem in Mozilla/Firefox...The actual problem is that this browser do not create paragraphs by default, so we need to implement workarounds for this. Im currently working on this problem.

>- Insert before/after in rows/columns (like OOo); I want to be able to add a row or column where I want.
>- Customisable items in the icon row so we can add our own tags.
>- Customisable styles; not just Normal and 1 thru 6

Yes, this functions is a subject to implement in next releases.

Wednesday 09 November 2005 11:24:25 am

2Björn:

> I would also want to see how my embed objects really look like....

I think this is impossible because the look of embeded objects which are not images depends on templates, and we can't use them in online editor as separate enitites. In case of custom tag it can be visualized with one "span" tag having some class.

Concerning using of different CSS-s. Its possible to make an ini setting of array type, like OECSSFileList[]. Will this be enough in your opinion?

Wednesday 09 November 2005 1:02:24 pm

http://ez.no/bugs/view/7383

Wednesday 09 November 2005 1:10:30 pm

>I think this is impossible because the look of embeded objects which are not images depends on templates

I thought it could work like this...

I though there might be maybe a way of receiving a rendered object via this AJAX thing.

Instead of showing something which does not look liek the object, we show the HTML from the rendered object.

The oe would call a url that returns a certain LOOK depending on the parameters

/dhtml/rederer/(view|full)/(123|NODEID)/(variableparam1)/(variableparam1)/and so on

Wednesday 09 November 2005 4:58:08 pm

OE 4.0 alpha2 is out!
http://ez.no/download/add_ons/online_editor/ez_publish_3_online_editor

Changes from alpha1:
http://ez.no/download/add_ons/onl...hanges_from_4_0_alpha1_to_4_0_alpha2

Wednesday 09 November 2005 5:03:01 pm

PS. Thanks everyone for testing alpha releases!

Wednesday 09 November 2005 5:08:31 pm

2 Björn:

>Instead of showing something which does not look liek the object, we show the HTML from the rendered object.

To implement this we need some tool that renders webpage as a picture that can be inserted into OE. What tool can you suggest for this?

Direct HTML injection is not possible because in this case there is no way to distinguish it with the content you edit in OE.

Modified on Wednesday 09 November 2005 5:09:32 pm by Kirill Subbotin

Wednesday 09 November 2005 6:59:07 pm

> What tool can you suggest for this?

Oh sorry, I guess I have no clue about how this stuff is working.

I guess some java based browser would be best since it is most praticle to be platform independant. The other fact is that php and java come closer together. It should be small and fast. The browser should also stay in RAM so that it will be avaialable over multiple requests.

Opera (Norwegian) has a product called opera mini/mobile browser. Well opera is propetary... that might close some doors.

As a conclusion ... I see that this task is nearly impossible and not meant to be addressed in PHP 4.

Friday 25 November 2005 2:51:21 pm

any idea when OE 4.0 a3 will be out.. This whitespace bug is a real pain and i'll need to remove a2 and replace with 3.1.1 if a3 is not out in a couple of days.

Friday 25 November 2005 3:25:24 pm

2Tony Wood:

Which bug exactly? (#)
I thought I've provided a patch for this in bugreport's comment.

We plan to release 4.0 on wednesday next week, Although I can upload another alpha today if this is really needed.

Friday 25 November 2005 4:00:44 pm

It's ok.. I added that patch now.. I missed it... that will teach me not to scroll down.

Friday 02 December 2005 3:18:38 pm

A direct link to download a file "feature" will be cool, because it's not possible yet to do a direct link to a file, but only to an object...

Monday 05 December 2005 12:51:53 pm

2digital coquelicot:

It IS possible now, all you need to do is to enter file's URL there, it could be http or ftp or any protocol.

Monday 05 December 2005 12:52:56 pm

OE 4.0 rc3 is out !
See OE download page for changelog and downloading.

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